economic damage in the aftermath of katrina. so 20 right now for damage in new york, plus another 20, 25 economic activity. i think those numbers will go substantially higher when they really find out. >> steve: plus there are so many houses they haven't been able to get to. the barrier islands south on the jersey shore, people haven't been able to get there because they were essentially washed out. >> gretchen: the interesting thing about politics relating to the storms is what is the right move for politicians, especially when we're six days away from a monumental presidential election? remember the scathing interpretation that president bush got with regard to hurricane katrina. so what is the right response? the president has to come and has to survey the situation, so what should mitt romney do? he's our -- can you imagine the discussions going on inside these camps about what is the right tone? what looks correct? >> eric: i hate to do this, but i remember in alabama, president obama took, i believe it was four or five day